So we are talking about equity, ownership and commitment now. I think on me this topic is highly time dependent like how long does a person stay in the company and how much time they invest. so I like the idea of swipe equity which is basically equity is dependent on your effort. you may not be or a type of person start a company which you should have, you know and I'm personally flexible in that regard. if you find even someone now who thinks that person is really good and it will help us and you can change the structure of equity but I have just done basic research on it and the key facets there were like deciding what you were like idea vision how did the company start our time a person is killing how critical their knowledge and what they're working on is for the company and how much money are they investing if they're investing in the company. so these were the factors in deciding the initial equity but I thought that it's like I just Google swipe equity there so I thought okay this is good in deciding the initial one maybe but at the same time I think it's unfair for long term start of set for instance one person started in the beginning like this and had a huge input for the data huge equity difference but then the other people they kept working for three year four year five year. so this difference of starting is should reduce over time. there should not be a fixed equity that if we calculate right now and we have a certain percentage but then it should not stay fixed let's say if one of us leaves up to some time whatever it is what a difference should maybe reduce if we say if we have an accident and let's say four year five year so it should depend on the time the difference if we have an accident and all this year okay I understand that there are differences between us but if we have an accident of the five years and that difference should not be the same as it is not. so I think the time for me is something I am struggling the time commitment to how to capture that in equity. I think there are already formulas there but I have personally not invested in it so for me we need to come up I want me to feel it should be any usual thing that we spend our time to look into these concepts and then use a formula to calculate and then compare that and then make it a function of time. this is probably like a pair of books and I will fix it if I tell you that okay it takes right knowledge so we will do the Godness and what we do in the next year or the next year I think it should be dependent on the up input and up input. one question when you say excited about one of the property make no exit means like somebody bought what you became. okay my character wants to do you think there is a thing called what value all of us individually bring to a company to this corporate graph is a topic to be discussed before equity. 

what is the point as in what value in the all three of us individually are bringing in the company that we have a solid starting up that as well. not solid but like at least basically sure. for me for instance if somebody comes up and say I will do marketing for you I would be like okay you can see whether this is the same as if you are working on the data I am doing like the data. but also the figure right because we can build a great thing but not able to sell it versus a sales person who is able to bring deals big deals. yes so this is where I think you need to discuss right like what. but also because the other person can only sell it if the product is as good. for sure. for sure. yeah it's a great idea. it's a great idea. but I think the reason is to be like a dream company or engineer to use their product then we need to also paradigm something that we like. this is of course and you are going to incentivize people who are from this course to join our team. and then we need to have a very important. but I also don't have a fixed spectrum for me. like the formula that I said is that you can give from 0 to 10 what the person is doing and then that's what I can just reward. and I think that's fine. yeah I'll jump to really find it. yeah it's like finding water and then taking out roots. 

yeah 

anytime and commitment is something maybe you guys can comment on because I think distribution calculation of equity you can find templates for that. and we can use that. sure but the time and commitment like what are you guys thinking about future. how much are you told on the idea for that. all of us even have their personal constraints and we need to factor that in in the comments. and also it will be work for one year and then it will be okay. I'll do it anymore. I mean they are promised for that but at the same time these things are very emotional in person. so there has to be an arrangement where a person feels like okay I'm part of this decision. 

I'm going to use this here. how much my wife is. how much is your idea. no I absolutely have a good idea how the product can be opened. also how we can develop our product for this market now. I use one of the things that I think is coming with what everybody actually is. the three hour study commute and also fun to one hour of working out. I'm already using five hour study all of us. you will move. once again the contract and the contract will move back to the market. so then the commute goes down to maybe 22 to 3rd. and I'm alive. so the proposal is already made and mostly I keep it in a good response by the health this month. probably the first week of next month. I'm developing interviews. I'm a computer that is a true. and I mostly I can have some sort of a by turning up to. but you will start in October right? yes. let's say you will have more time. yes. okay. not bad. but also once I get a contract. I don't have to prove as much. okay. as I am going to. can maybe exclude out more time. yes. because now if there is a critical issue if I create a solution in create a solution in one or two days I just had that discussion with my senior they had a really quick finish and I have all done it one or one or two. I created a full analysis and I found out where the data and where the everything is going to come from and she had the discussion. see that goes remains any point as well. so I need to prove myself. yes. yeah. yeah. I understand that. but the time part I started to look out and then I knew it was more time in the first half. no because I felt like. so because I felt like I'm working and then I'm going in a I'm going professionally. but I wanted to manage the balance on I'm going so much with help. so I started a couple of weeks ago. and that's the time part time is a bit struggling. 

I think more about the willingness. we all have our jobs and other commitments. so it can like some weeks or some months can be we'll find that time some more. 22 are committed and totally the idea that you're willing to find the experience. in three days. okay. I think that's some more important thing. that's why I started the motivation. okay. I'll be taking motivation when we take it out with finding the what to do. no different. but if I am I definitely find this but 

maybe not as much in the past two weeks. but I'll slowly get there because I've only started to manage my time a bit more optimized way when I started working out. it was very chaotic. so now I'm a little more structured. so as a time goes on maybe one more week and then I'll have a set timeline fully prepared. I won't be after getting back to my work. I won't have a chart if I flag my collect. one hour and then 

make a snack for 30 minutes. have a call with appearance for one hour. and then I'll you'll reach my notebook and I'll go back to my notebook and I'll get back at 10.30 and I'll have to see. so I'll make some changes so it just takes a takes a process. 

but I'm definitely so idea I really like the idea that's where I'm here as a 

yeah no I also relate to your this split of health as a personal professional thing. I think of until the end of last year I've been extremely focused on my career as well. crazy more of ours. I've been spending on the work. starting this year I've changed my class to be. I also focus in quite a lot on my health right now. 

and this is something I don't want to optimize on no underwater. I think this is an important thing. life is short and I don't want to really grab your dad. whenever I will achieve in my life professionally if I'm not healthy or if I feel like I have for the fun live my life a certain way I would regret it. I'm so alone now so similar to what you said. pretty late to it. 

commitment wise I really like this idea. 

I think of all the things that we've been working on in a past with like it. also on my personal things. This is something I like the most. and I not just like the work but something I see the most potentially as well. and I definitely want to have more time on this going forward. Time constraint for me also quite critical. 

At my job I am not able to take out time during the day because I have always meetings and I mostly work with office as well. so that limits the number of hours I spend. and if I look at the commitment level in the time it's pretty bad. I cannot say I'm showing too much commitment and that's something I've bothered because I've got something I've discussed with you as well. I think it makes me quite depressed that the learning will do work effort as much as I know I can because of my work situation. One thing I've been considering is opening my life last night was topic as well. I think I'm supportive of that. I think I'm also going to play games as well as I'm taking off quitting my job at some point this year. and going full in this. Obviously, topic of trains and more of my topic as well. So these are something I definitely want to make sure that this is not disturbed. But it's something on my mind that I want to quit and someone. I have worked for much more this period which means that it's like, wait at the next few months if you three let's say, wait I'm in the company in the end of the year and starting next year and fully on it. And I think this is also if we say end of this year for you, you know, for me end of this year it is a good time then and we know where we stand as a company, how much is your sponsor getting from industry. Financial modeling, how the past connections looks like. Will games a good idea? I don't know if okay, where dumb makes going full sense. As well. At the moment I'm struggling with the question do I resign for sure or do I wait a few months before I resign? But I can see that staying in this job and working on this idea, I can't do both. Okay. I maintain very exhausted and I cannot break what I do. I have to go all in in one direction or the other direction. And I would rather go all in in something where everything on my own where I have, you know, we talked about hard-working motivation with vision of the company, vision of the product and more so along that versus my commercial job. Okay. These are the random parts. I just threw it out. I'm going to take a vacation for a week or two on that. Simulate, working for the analyst. 

And can be done. Can be done, but I don't think this will change my view too much. Oh no, it was just a suggestion to simulate, to give yourself an idea of how it works. Yeah. Yeah. I've already talked to you about this one. I don't have a stable job. So I need to first get a stable job only after working five years at least. Then I can have some other interest on that. I can maybe make a start-up kind of run. But right off the bat, if I start working on sort of, if I want to go back to the industry, that will be very, very challenging. So, if we become so financially good that we can speed it up or ignore the agency through your burn rate and through the farming you have that I see for the next two years, I can pay the salary of my growth. But if we become like that, could you still consider or ignore it? Then that's it. It's possible things for who does that by end of this year. We have like five hundred days I make a farm industry 300, 400k raised and then we know that okay at least we can pay 10 people in base salary that they can work for the year. Who would you consider that or would you like okay, certainly to still prefer the industry? I would say even at least for one or two years of experience is useful in the future. Then having zero windage card in that useful, lots of time. Okay, so in September you will have one year. Yes, but that's in the end. Oh okay, okay. So March? Yes. Okay, okay, next time I'll do one. Okay. For two years at least you are... At least one to two years of actual experience with a little bit beneficial if I want to go back to the future. And in March 0 that will not give me any choice at it. It will not put me in a... 

I don't know that's... I don't know if that's right or not. I think it's like you're a goal, try to make you... If you haven't met me, but he's like you like he's... Recently he's still studying but he got offered from good companies and I don't want to work on it. I want to work on my... I want to work and I start out when I want to work on my own team and I want to get rich, quite you know, and not like that in the corporate job but I cannot go there. But it's definitely a kind of cold mindset. No, for me it's... My ideology here lines up similarly what I mentioned before I spoke. I want to work on a thing that I enjoy the most but the byproduct should be good high-pay as well. That's also one of the reasons I migrated to AI and then now into data science and business because if I really like it, I experience it now, I really like it and also there is very good amount of money there. But I know that I have liked that part a bit more. If I want to go back to a different company, my selling points will go down if I only have an internet experience. No, I just have that. I understand that. Yeah, then we will consider that in the calculations, it will be passed down. Yeah. I have everything with the passed time so we will put our own numbers here and we think we're far out and then we can just see and want to see. Yeah. But I just sort of want to highlight I'm not really anything strict about including... I mean, for the entire world, I don't know. Yeah, I think we are all like that, but I also want to encourage the long term motivation because there will be a time like that. There will be so. I would do a financial incentive as well. I agree. 

I think we have similar values about money. I think that's good. We are not just comparing my money or comparing my other things and for money, we are willing to be fair. Even if it hurts our own investment, we understand that. I think that's very nice to have work with people like that. It's very difficult to find people like that actually. 

And we are also agreeing that time, how long you stay in the company, is also something that will have impact on that. What is the cliff here? How many years do you need? For a certain world of the cliff here was two years. If you live before two years, you have zero equity. If you have something before that. So we need to agree on the cliff period we are signed. Yeah. How many years is that? 

What's the exact point that you want to share on the cliff? I think most of the things that are some sort of things are right. You guys can read unless you have some point of like, okay, I think you need to discuss it. I think we have gotten the feeling of the team, what we each have one of the skills. 

I'm thinking, I'm sure there are some more of them there to be discussed, but I cannot go. So I think one important topic is, let's say you go to Solmik and they say, yes. And we move to register the company in the next one month, I think. If they ask us. So that means that you will have to easily sign a document that I'm part of this company. And then each one of you then needs to see that what kind of impact it might have on your job. You're part of the company, your taxation, whatever. Oh, please, this is something that you need to see. From me, I personally willing to say, okay, if it's a problem for you guys right now, I can just start it myself. And then later on, you guys can join in, you can have like a gentleman's agreement without involving no time. But then once we start a legal entity, then there has to be more pressure on the time like that. Okay, by this time I would sign the contract to join the company. Yeah. Because that changes the tax system. And I would be more that 55th is alone the owner of the company. Oh. Like the income will be higher for one person. But if two of us are working, we can build each one of us ourselves. They can help you. I work this many hours, this many hours, this many hours. And that's like the company expenditure. So that's like these things are. Ever hear that I also want to mention that the financial contribution that we are on having, this exact thing needs to be handled up to this. If you are one person, owner of the UDG and you're paying more taxes, I even for sure, contribute so that our paying back bill is not there, even though officially I'm not part of this. Because I think we need to have a clear understanding of how much financial contribution we got to move, whether we are UD or not before even a doctor. Yeah, I mean, what I meant was we need to have you guys on board before it even makes an impact. So we cannot leave it open and then that I started the company and I have a loan and it's like six months now and over the end, join in it that cannot happen. Okay. Once we start the company, we will have a deadline that will be the next three months or two months or whatever that means to the study. The full public needs to join. So that it does not have an impact on the the tech calculation or other technology. So you're not saying that one person pays more and then other people check and they can say you don't even do that. You make it fair and transparent. 

I agree on this part that we need to have a timeline in terms of when do we people join? When do we commit that we will become official model of the company? Actually, we are giving that setting a clear timeline but even before that, I don't want to have financial implications on one person that you are something through this. For a reason, it's something a lot comfortable with it at all. I want to have an equal distribution based on our equity and so on. I want to have a fair distribution. Yeah. And we have a discussed the financial right now. Yeah. I agree right now. Yeah. Yeah. And this is also one topic when I should be discussing well how much you're paying for different things. This also leads to being in the companies and expectations and not on a personal expectations. We need to be able to get an idea. And let's say I am saying that here I'm going to stay in the job till the end of the year. You don't have a job for that matter. It's unfair that you're paying for certain things. I'm having a job and having that safety net so to say and not being enough. So I think this has to be properly stated in a fair way as well. Yeah, we can do that. This is a lot. I think it's easier to do this things once you're in the job. You can empty it and go back out and come pick out. So you can just use it. And each one of us can put in money with any financial 

capital. And first that's easier to improve. You know, like that. 

I think we're going to be getting another business. This is angular for first day when I was starting a company. I'm enjoying it. 

With 

I'm not sure if the time less will suit or my my plan. If it started company next month or we're going to be in a competition. So we're going to be accurate towards three months to be all joining the time less wouldn't. But like what more can start doesn't have to go. You can do it. Can I? Of course. What do you mean part of the company? No idea. You just want it. Yeah, just want it. And for the rest of the another. 

So that needs to be for you have an EU passport. Very very very very very very very. While you're in nature, you cannot be a part of the company. Obviously you cannot find out where DSM is. He's all out to. That's also one of the reasons I get in. Please wrap it around as in my mind. But I'm saying, but whenever you look up to a private quarter, you'll go to a private quarter. But four places are very different. Okay, do this. You have four schools. You have to make it prosperity. You cannot do it just like that. But if you place four places, anyone will look up and they'll be like, sure. It's a very different area. This thing with AI will get inspired and also get divided as well. But you can once you have the contract and sign it, then you can ask them. Yeah, I will. I'll look at that. Yeah. Not before. But no, actually, maybe I can. Because I'm working on the idea with my manager. And we work planning to create our company. So it needs to be, they need to know what to do. That's also your contract. But I don't think you are allowed to be a performer. But they have to know. Can you do know, but they need to do this as well. Yeah, they can't say no. Yeah. They can say no as well. And I know from my case, I don't know about DHL, I can tell you about myself. If I tell them I'm working with this, there's no chance you can do it. I think you'll let me see. They have to need to look at it. I guess there's no conflict of interest. And I have a future on my own, because I can literally give my customer this to us to contact. And I know the customer as well. Yeah. Personally so. As a matter of fact, I think if I design, they're probably not asked me to serve this or a spirit, but they're not asked me to quickly. We can be staying for a person that actually is sort of a dampening for the company. It's a great why not. I like that actually. So I think it's not a problem. But can I go ahead and rest a bit? That's one of the, I think so. There's always a thing we get. There's always a thing we get. I see people in Germany and try to come to the company. Yeah. I don't really have the issues. Yeah. Just like that. And you are, you have a shaman, he's a, he's a, are allowed to work in Germany. Yeah. No. I don't have an residence permit. I'm not allowed to have a job. Even the work piece out of a dark. I have work to serve in a minute. The, that's the one that you're interviewing. I think we can afford it on. Yeah. We can check. Yeah, we can check. But I don't think that a very true reaction to your graphic issues, that very true, is whether you're company in OK with you spending time on this project. That's bad. Yeah. Do you know what if you're spending time on it? I don't think so. I think that's the big difference. Yeah. The reality is defending. Look at me. But also, should I bring you, I mean, you said that at least one in your minimum, you would like to have. So I would suggest that you set your timeline till next March. Yes. I don't think I was, I mean, I don't know what you were, but for me, it makes sense that we push that no one you join in next month or in two months, in three months, whatever. Have your own timeline. I mean, I love it. You're covered in it. And you're like, we can't end it. Fine. And for me, it's OK. Yeah. This thing has, even the structure of production and your pot, finding, when you're looking for financing. Because then you are doing it. It will look at your equity structure and document. Yeah. So we cannot say here, this guy is working for us. But he cannot join us because he has a job. Like now, one paper, no. And but the easel and equity cannot be like that. So you have to have a legal representation in the company in a way that you can show it as well. But we can have, again, we can discuss the timeline that, OK, we will not approach investor or we will not do this. Or maybe we are talking to them, but they're not sending them over. We will not comment what's the right way to section for the app for the fair. What they're not section. I agree. I agree. But I still don't think we have to do anything with him being in a job in a DHL or maybe working at Sampak that this will be a problem. The structure will be there, for sure. But we can actually sign them to not contract. To come to contract. And when it's he's part of the company. Yeah, after drug contracts, whatever, we will have a shareholder agreement with the others. Then has to be signed. In what? What you what we can do? What is better said that I can start the company with the reason for you. So I started. But then after one or two months, I can update the agreement. I can say, OK, these guys are bringing in also the money and time. So now instead of I having a 100 person, yeah, we're not speaking that yeah, we do. Yeah, so then I need to go again to the no time. Yeah, then you guys will have to be all thinking that also really. Yeah, yeah, but what we cannot do is extend its sentiments agreement for a year. Till March next year. So March is not exactly money. So if I get a full time job, I'll join in October. Yeah, we will do it. Yeah, so that you cannot extend its sentiments agreement or I'm just going to. 

OK, he's one. I think it's he's a there and then I think it's put to like open it. Two people. Yeah. But again, founders, one thing is you do I put that I think it's also story. I know the other very good story. I'll be on the background on where it's getting set. And you know each other all the time. So it's a very good story. That's why it's on paper. That's also the part. Or future. Yeah, incentive. But if he's not on paper, then that story is like. This is going to send. 

Yeah, I'm starting. Yeah, I think this is fair. There is no. That's the implications. We can also sell that there is impending contact. And the plan is to join in. Yeah, yeah. So. Oh, OK, that's possible. Just to when. Sure. Yeah, that's possible. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, but also, you know, like, might have wasn't would be that. I understand that you want to have for one year. But also don't fix it. So straight. Because I mean, let's say at the end of the year, we see the company at the potential. There will like bro, we need to get full in because we see our potential. And that changes. So if that's not the case, where till next year of the work, I'm thinking, OK, but if we see it in this year, we make them run the decisions, you know. I mean, I'm talking mainly about myself as well, because I also fear this thing as well, leaving my stable, high paying job, not knowing what's going to happen. But I feel like in the next few months, you have a very good idea of what kind of production we are seeing right now. And based on that, it could help us make a decision on this. No. 

No, there is a good. 

The close is solid. 

Yeah. But it's like a fall back right? Yeah. Because I don't have any experience if I want to go back to the industry. Yeah. I would have no idea what the industry would look like next year. Yeah. I already went on this technology, and not joining in 2024. And in 2025, everything went to help. 

So, 

now I'm a little bit careful about the steps. 

I didn't care help you, but I don't think it's worth it. With the eye and the ear, I think it's better to take care of the job. I feel a little bit more job-sleeve. It's a problem. I have to discuss, I can prove this because, but people have to take me one chance. I feel like I'm one person. You know what, excluding the aspects. No, that's true. If you want a job, it's not even a CV, I'll hire you next month. I don't really believe it. I feel like I'm not spending my time waiting for me to be on the market. Very big process will happen. But yeah, it also, the main part is that, 

you can also provide you that kind of, I mean, I can provide you that kind of support. I have a lot of people who are looking for, like, what's the most thing on LinkedIn, AI engineers, the skills, so I can also record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, record your, in Germany, I mean, not in Germany. And yeah, in Germany, we are in the April, if you want to start with, of me, I can maybe have it. That's all I want to say. So, before you design, exactly before you design, before they know, they know, they know what to do. 

Nobody, young peers are valid, and I understand that. Yeah, are there all familiar tasks for you? For sure. All the supporting of our family, so, yeah, supporting and supporting, feel like that you're not being. No, no, no, no, no, but I, and that, for me, I like working with you, I like working with you, and I know what our skills, I decide, approach to. So, I would really say, after I'm up here, or something, you'd realize that when you get on, continue with that, I would really say, so for me, I would be willing to like, okay, like, when the rules are very, or on generalize, I'd really try to delay something impossible, so that you can join fully. And I'm willing to do that, but, commitment, and there is some sort of leap of faith there. It can never be kind of a person, 

some sort of leap of faith has to be there, but, technicality that will be independent, and it will be a few areas of 

and you will also have to find, and like, this is then the next topic that if you guys are not full-time until end of this year, then you might have to think about if you have in some more people in the following goals in the team as well, so that they can work full-time and on the company. Actually, you'd be fine, a customer in the next one, one for two, then you at least two people are needed to work full-time and you might not work in other topics, leap of topics, but then one person and I know that 

I mean, I think we are all aligned in the sense that we have 

good, good multi-values in the sense, so I think I'm not that afraid of what I could be people tell me you need to be really careful about it because the telling is totally about people fighting and one person being greedy or like this, so I feel like when I was not in the first year, so I like I trust him and with you, I know it's also for the many years, so I mean, like I have some sort of idea of your value, so when things are I know I do worry about it. Thanks. 

Yeah, I also know when we go founding Dean, as I say, the relationship and trust is, you know, the most important thing. As he said, we know it's not quite some time. When you were talking about bringing a third co-founder, I was always a bit considering, okay, who the person will be and if we will get along with that person or not because like you, I've also been a particular person somehow, that's feels like me sometimes very to work person. But since you've joined, I've been telling him that I really enjoy talking to him, working and it's a cool dude to talk with all kinds of things and also technically kept it as well. So, enjoy the meetings even when we had like our R12 as well or different hundred topics. It's been enlightening for me on from me. So, it would be quite hard for me as well, that, okay, we found a person that we click, all of this click and then we lose that person. The person who wanted something that would also be quite hard about it. But as you said, you fully understand what you are feeling or what you are seeing at the risks and challenges, been through all these phases ourselves. So, whatever needs to be done to bend the rules to along prolongate to make it work, I would be more inclined towards making it work by bending the rules for Pakistan the best fun, the most fun we do. 

But also, you know, like one thing I said in the beginning for me and my execution guide for me, it's really important that the people that we have in the company feels a certain way about how we deal with certain situations. They need to clearly see that we have a human element because I refuse to believe that a company can be very successful if they are lacking those those things when they're super important in today's time, which is what the company are not doing here. And I want to pour water to that. Like, I would never compromise on that. It'd be, you know, pre-demo-e or a part of the company, you know, in a way which is unfair. So, that cannot happen. 

So, yeah. Okay. 

I think they have covered more of the things. How would a long term multibillionaire orish in the modern practice, what you said about long term? I think it's also related to the work list as well. This question? Right. So, clip will be the minimum amount of time that we need to stay to get our equity. But I think doing clip, we can make it not linear. I'll let if in the first, like in the first year, there's more difference because of the contribution for in the two years, if you say the difference along the way which you reduce it. Because like, the water is like you are sort of emerging. But there's still some difference after four years. There's some difference. It was worth in equity for some days. The part is if I am more now, but after two years, it reduces a very than after three years, it reduces a bit. So, that my equity is going to you guys because if you are committing for for three or four years, five years, and just because I started, you know, this project, it's for example, for a full time, okay, that should not make it after four years, five years, I don't know. If we work together, to make it successful, it's not the five years, we are saying, okay, we are ever next to the one. Yeah. Then, it should not make it that I started last year, because I was a who I was saying a full time, but you guys will, let's say you guys will identity for the next year. So, one year difference should not result in like, all I have to do is after even after five years, you know, I think that's unfair. But again, if we exist, if we have some sort of a right after two years, let's say, and on next year, then okay, then the contribution were more, yeah, and then it's like more. So, I want, I also want to make that really not only and not be neither but can be dependent because it's fair and it also gives other people than send it to level K-1. If I work on one more year, then I can earn or I would have more than send it to like, to be fair then. Yeah, but the contribution would be that even if let's say, we decided on this period three years, that would mean that if you leave before three years, then most of the equipment would be gone, but like some amount you need to discuss like an agreement that will give your three years to the company with the value of maybe you will not get your full percentage but it should not all be revealed. Thank you for your not being paid according to your industry and your very important desk, so you need to also divide the formula. Okay. When you reach as a company, you may have to follow the union salary on salary and the commercial. No. No. There you go. 

Okay, okay. I mean with these numbers, there will be financial projections as opposed equity split versus time dependency of equity 

plus cliff period, how dark changes the equity, all of these things will be like in the financial world, the Amazon. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. 

Okay, so question one and two. Fine. If someone leaves we discuss that, what happens then equity will change based on our time, you have the strength of the company. It's got to work on the equity, but equity will best thing will stay. What do you mean by this? I don't know what say. I mean, certain equity is like more time based best thing is like money, how much money you throw. All of these models need to be seen. I can describe them more in the document. But they are basically effort time based. Oh yeah, I think it's not that. It's not like they have an investor, who just gives us money. And then that person gets a constant equity in the company. Right? We don't have a person who is like that in the co-founder role. It's all like time and commitment and capital based. So, I don't think we have to worry about this. 

Sure, we'll look at humans. We already discuss founders that we meant. Yeah, we can we can go more to our values as well in the founders that we and not just talk about sharing, but also about the kind of company we want to build. I think maybe a little bit about that. Question five, you're talking about right now? Question five, man. What question four? Before you go to five, time responsibility to discuss dashboard is something I also want to bring in the next morning as I mentioned. I think it's unfair that you are working for time right now. When working for business, I don't know what to do. This has to be changed. Okay, so in the in the formula, there was a point for this. And that can like, it's not exact cash, but it's like, okay, how much percentage or like, how much do you think this person contributes to the so this we can also like look at it. I'm feeling why it doesn't have to be exact cash, but like, okay, this person's pandemic, we gave him a few percentage points, but it's not has to be exact when we have a pandemic. I hate to call them euros, so I need this one out of it quickly for like, okay, so like, we give them a few percentage points, 

when the shareholders are going to be going to get signed, so we are saying right now we discuss depending upon when we get the first customer. Dark time, P zero plus one month is when we found the company. Okay, so you need the tax number to sign agreement with, and I was, so one action was that I was hoping that we can get this scholarship, the existed scholarship, but we would need one more student in the team, and this scholarship allows you to get around two to three thousand euros for an year, and you can also hire students for free and get a 30,000 allowance from the university, but the more I can spend I only the more I feel it's very difficult to get it. It's not difficult to get it, it's difficult to find someone. For sugar, again, has a goal that he wants to keep working in the company. He is eligible for that, but you cannot work full time to let your scholarship. So let's say you find people with a fly part, then we might get this scholarship might start from October, but then that would mean that from October, you cannot work in a job, in a company. You will get money? Well, P zero plus. All P zero plus, or yeah, someone else. So they will be putting you in the open. Yeah, yeah. So that's like the best thing that can happen to you in the startup world, at least in German people's business, because you can hire students to do the university. You don't have to pay 30,000 capital that you can do with foreign infrastructure or any debt costs, or any type of excitement you want to do. And you get it out to you to do it. How does that end? That's the goal to support it. But I think you cannot afford that, because you don't have to be building the theme for that. So now I am beginning to like, you move that from my mind and just thinking that okay, you can see this kind of customer as soon as possible. And let's say we go to summit to be later, that would be made up, man. And let's say by the end of May, they say okay, you can sign in agreement with you. Then that agreement needs to be made. 

I cannot lie for it. In first people's children, I can probably get it in one week. Okay. How much time it takes to get Uge and back somewhere in the world? That's the way you think it may be, just mean that you can use, but all the legal stuff, I think, at least last time when I did it for the month. Okay. I've seen some online platforms, that promise that you can use, you can use, or digitally do it. I never use them. But let's keep one month. That means one month. The zero is the first customer. Yeah. Plus one month, it Uge is formed. Yeah. We have a contract asking me sign in some way. Even in the part, even in the area. So if either three of us join from let's say June, like I'm going with the best time I've ever found, that everything works out for sure. Okay. And the three of us join from first people June sign a contract, or one or two of us sign in June, and the next person sign in July, or maybe we start telling them what happened. This is the problem again. No, like it. Cannot sign until you sign. You also cannot sign. For sure, not. Then I, okay, then I sign. You can sign. You can sign. You mentioned because it's not enough to wake up in the room. So you can ask for the door, is that you have to keep in mind that maybe in June, I have to sign, and then we start to come to, and then you join us when that is I, when you resign. So you work, imagine as a dime. But finally to resign, I can't keep talking about the way that I'm doing this. And because they were all lonely, there was a lot. 

And if you are so worried when I resign, and you don't need to tell me the benefit time. 

But if this finds out that I am employed or signed a thing by, I am in my company, then I'll be a student. 

Okay, I have to ask. I have to ask. So this is what I've been asking about. Also in the past, a few weeks, it might be HR or also my accounting department as well. I know I did this thing. So they said you're playing with fire right now. They said if you're an upper-drunker, AI, somebody who was your name and income, then go counter there on a website. You will be in trouble. Okay, very careful from you putting your name on the website, even. I mean, we can remove your name from your channel. It's that mean it. But can you clear the concern that? So this is what I was thinking. That I position myself as like, consultant slash advisor. When I say I'm very limited about the time, two hours, three hours, and giving this to a company. And that's it. But if I'm signing a contract, then all these discussions become a major problem. What do you sign in the contract? 

You can not find out. We're legally not aware of it's here or does. Maybe. And how can they find out what you sign in? I mean, if I put up the, I put up the, the insurer's company under the website, it says, go counter. Which website? Or sorry. No, we don't have it. You can have your account. 

Public channel, Tari Naha, Concord, but the question is, right now, they can see if you are one of the managing directors, I am not sure what that's about. If you, unless you put it on a website and email, I don't think they can see that you are one of the managing directors. That's it. We need to confirm that is a lawyer. I do not think that you're going to come to me. Well, right. 

So I discussed the point that by HR, they said that, you need to make a transparent possible. You will tell me exactly the activity you are doing, your company, activities, what they are doing, blessed I have your spending on it. This document will be sent to our managing director for company, and they'll make a decision whether it's okay or not. When she said to me, what you are telling me right now, they will, for sure, say no. There's no chance if you can see, yes. Is it not possible to put that with the book? So, also one thing we can discuss with a couple of minutes. Yes, there are few articles. We can do it. 

One thing I can see is that I talked to my company and I say, hey, my friends are reading a product. I think we can place a product to our customers. They will ask how will you split the revenue generation? So I can say that the integration part is something that you guys can handle. The product will be done by the company, my friends, they will handle it. And that's it. That's one sort of way. 

I think that's how you start. But I don't know, man, I'm not, like, I don't want to, I think like, we should be doing integration and then. No, yeah, we should be doing as well, but they are getting commission. They can be like selling our product and they get a commission. Will it also allow us to reach a bigger company? Yeah, we can. Then it's worth the effort. Like a few pictures, the origin there are customers. And we will do it by ourselves anyway, but it's important to use that. 

And then it's like a better story as well, but future because then you need to design up the form of this and make it a bit start-up. And now I, my friends are asking you to join them. I'm going there, but you can continue to work together. Before the company is on its factor, for the company. It's like a proposition, you know? It's not like, oh, I don't like working here for you. But if I make this open to my money, the engineers, then all of these things, what have signed or not, become very, very crucial. 

What's the feasibility of? Another two to come here? 

How open they will be? How likely would they... 

Sorry, my company has partnership with the sources of the segments, both of them. We are selling their software as well, it'll be getting their software. Their priorities are over there. It's the company and they're, they are those small companies that are our partners, only big companies. 

For small things, the president will be based on the financial collections, the modern money that they can generate. 

The average elite, the selling rate that we generally have for the boy, is it being reached or not? If it's not being reached, with integration, then there's like this, it's financially not, not investing for us. You don't do it. The resources to obviously charge the lot of money, as long as companies don't, so then that becomes a problem. Even if the outcome is negative for it, like you don't get anything from them, I think it's worth trying it for your story in the country. You try this and no? Sure. It's only like our product, which is for the lining. And then they ask you, you say, you can start them. That's it. And then, the story dies. And even if the data find out, it will not drop them. 

It's like slowly escalating the situation. Instead of, we use it yesterday. But you're saying that, we should use my company as a, 

leave our time. As a left time. Influencer, instead of just leaving my company and not taking their, it's like the best outcome. It's already been that it's been and we can get a client with the usual leverage. 

But, how likely would the collaboration look with the current status of the tool and if the tool is much, much more? I mean, can we share something on your screen? Well, there's a small database, I will. They're making ARBR, technology for manufacturing production in the area. Just look at their website to see what the status. This is the recent collaboration that we have done to just give you by an idea of where they are right now. When is a collaboration? What kind of collaboration is it? As in, we are modern. Modern. Modern. Modern. We help. We say, in the customer, please use this tool. I'll let you solve a lot of your problems. Hmm. Is there any other sort of collaboration rather than just purely financial? Because financial ways, if they look at this company, it's a very start-up. Yeah. Yeah. They put in the very appealing tool of the company. Our company,