so for instance an iDroid developer my region or my motivation there was that I will be part of building something when it's flying there I can tell people that I was part of this and now my motivation is that we build something which everybody every engineer wants to use and I know that okay I did this this is more like I want to build something for myself that when I open the computer and I want to work on my job next day future right now it's like oh I need access why is it a problem or I need a high-permage off-key stroke but in future whenever every engineer wants to work because they need to be a manager I need a graphic art that cannot work without a graphic art or if you have a graphic art my project is you will be interested to become like the default tool that every engineer wants this is like my this is like my hope one day that it becomes like that it will be 90 years and also doing something like that yeah two things I notice in your sort of vision statement number one is the product itself or needs to be what's the first thing you said also that you might be interesting that you want to be the person who is like I built that thing and also you're doing the motivation of yeah that this is also one private part that you want to be that person who is okay I get to I want to be this yeah okay I want to be in this hopefully super but what about the short time we can start by saying what they would like to build right what's their motivation and then we can move to short time to trigger and add in something you to join what was what was in your mind what were you thinking you want to say something you were done a lot of my projects I usually visualize to create something that's used in the future not exactly use and then we'll be taken over by something else in the future I want to create something that is already projecting what the thoughts of future looks like and then build some tool that's that can be shaped or adapted to the future evolution and I like unique things that's not already in the market so this is something very unique and that exists anyway that's my main motivation even for other things but I lose my motivation quickly if if I lose the long term vision so I try to keep short-term visions and then try reaching up and then keep the long term vision at the back of my mind because sometimes long term vision is so distant it's blurry so I keep my short-term visions quite clear that was the reason I was short-term maybe not all people have the same type of mindset no I have the same mindset I also have a problem with our things and I don't think so but the main goal for me is to build something that's that would just that would just not go useless after a couple of months or five-fifuited ideas I want to build something that is robust enough to last too long 

I like what you said about this having short-term vision or extend my response so that's why we also have this topic of learning and upcoming milestones to tell us that in one month, two months, one year, two years, where do we want to be so that we achieve our blurry long-term vision so completely with the one that one I think this is important for this one so by the way about me I am not an idea person I've never been an idea person a lot of a century person I am more of her operational and execution person I think my motivation is always to execute something so well that 

the people who are in a company that the existing teams, users they feel great in general they feel like they're in a company they are part of the company they're using a product of a company that's future-oriented that takes care of some you know some of the things are the small things that other companies are going to take over in terms of making people happy and making people comfortable using their things or also employees they should be belonging to the company and the execution that comes with creating their culture is very likely like I have the biggest motivation I want to create something where people like customers feel that way, associate themselves with somebody but I don't have a big vision in terms of having a product that lasts longer or test of time they get classes I am a product person who thinks like that and honestly I don't have the skills even to build something like that that will be so long term sustainable. My personal vision is definitely to build something of my own product that I think all made my own that that's my maybe is very important to me also the execution the way we do it is not like other companies I want to make sure that the right values values that the founding team agrees on and yes this is the value that I will not provide on that no matter what and then they continue to go away despite the challenges so I want to be a doctor and one thing I wanted to add here personal motivation money is also personal motivation for sure I want to make sure that we build the company that sort of helps us to get away from this problem of jobs and contracts and all these kind of things because I don't know what you do I know what you for sure coming from a limited company and simply I'm sure so you sort of grew up seeing something in perhaps something you're like I want to make know what I want to be in a condition where this does not stay a problem that I'm feeling financially responsible to other people and family or so on and that sort of something like progress so that is something that I really want to avoid and overcome so money is also a big thing that I want to have in my own personal vision maybe also I think for now I think I can add in that I perform doing a company retrieval talk about that it's very annoying that all is for something I'm motivation I got a red book about that last or other company there are a lot of innovations of these or two jobs friends that have online lock the gates etc and I always when I was a child or when I was studying I always had this ambition or just just thinking that maybe one day I can also build or do something like that that people talk about me or also the people give examples of that they are solving the innovation sector from there like that for instance so that is also been my motivation that all the books that I read about people working together and then producing once in a different idea but once it be done in one space that also really best makes me that if I can build a company where we've been bringing the best minds of determining the best minds of the world and they work together and they know they produce innovative ideas and that also really fascinates me and I like what kind of culture what kind of hierarchy what kind of structure of what you need to build something like that so that also something I really want to build and the money I send it already said that my I really want that my family lives in at least one kind of a group and I feel like if I have a certain amount of money and I can really do that maybe working with that it's not just the money problem for me and that also a big motivation that I can I have three brothers at the time but they are all living separately and I'm very close to my material and not that better maybe mentioned so that also being the dimension of my sector I have enough money that it can all live close to each other and each other regularly so it's a combination of people doing the research that I have and when if I fail in this idea I think in the next few years I will just be working on that space and try to work on some of that yeah so maybe my approach is a little different but the idea just of my approaches to our approach to the problem is something similar I don't try to see money as a product but I want money as a byproduct I want to do us such a good job that money will flow through yeah that's my idea in general and all of my other things are called that's good and that's the idea for me I don't think of the money in mind but I think of doing reaching the level of the product that money is necessary money will flow through oh you guys are providing that value that money? yeah I think that's the idea for it yeah yeah what else about motivation? personal motivation? I mean working on it, working on really challenging problems and working with other bad minds yeah, I do something on it, probably like yeah and what about the other bad that you work with people who are quite experienced and knowledge and it's very enjoyable and when the problem is really difficult that's also really fun so that's also motivation it's the hardest problem that you can solve until I do it myself and then you can interact about also the interesting people and then work together and then work together and then do that also motivation how do you find it? another reason in the company in the case of we had hack it on everyone and now we made it more frequent after I joined the team the digitalization team took a little bit of a turn and we are able to tell you more and much faster and we have hack notes every month so the idea of achieving a lot in a day or at least not achieving but creating a viable solution in a day we can also we can also keep the mindset of reaching the milestones quite reasonable and whatever to phrase it properly but we have a lot of problems but we have a lot of solutions as well and comparing those solutions and then getting to the right solution takes a much much more time but if we are able to just do it right away it's just the equation approach it's not right we can change that another I think in a German big company you need to really push hard to continue that culture such a miniature that's why I had to tell you that I have a thing because they are not used to this kind of culture like move fast, iterate, break, rebuild you will try to be able to do everything before trying even if it takes time but if I am telling you that I actually know you are saying that I do want to have a culture in this company that be a flawless approach where we iterate quite a very accurately as possible and in a way that this is what we want to have here there will be very basic solutions yes that was one thing I was thinking but not exactly iterate correctly but iterate correctly if you iterate correctly it can be around the table but having the mindset of even before applying the solution if you just take a look back and then think of what the problem is and then see all the solutions and create a culture so that you approach it in a right sense if you are focused on the problem itself you will focus the bigger picture so I always try to see that I will see the problem in a much grand scheme of things so then the problem is small you will see the solutions slide by side and then you will see which approach is correct but also that is correct that kind of culture will deliver a lot of good solutions and long-lasting solutions yeah honestly I cannot visualize iterating directly part I don't know how it works maybe it can be done, maybe it can be done, maybe it can be done, no idea and if it is not correct yeah why not obviously iterate correctly so that it is your solution quickly but I cannot visualize how that or what or basically you need to do or what you need to do on a day to day basis that you create this environment where you approach a certain problem in a right way I don't know I can give an example let's take a simple example of building a table and you have a lot of solutions you can maybe build it as a class build it with four legs and a top you can build it in a lot of sense but if you see the problem description being just to have something to pull on it you can have a very simple solution or a very elegant solution or very long lasting solution so based on the needs you can go with right sort of building parts right you will and even the software as well if you see the problem description and then see what the use cases and 12 fits and you see all the solutions you can exactly pick the right parts and then build it so when you see only the problem without exactly considering all the use cases or future needs that it might need you will go with the solution that might be correct for now but in the future you will need to maybe rewrite it or maybe build on it building upon it is the best case scenario but rebuilding it is not a very good solution I don't think I know no fair again so when we are building something which doesn't exist or when we go on and go into the innovation you will be able to talk about being innovative enough that because the next part is important I don't know how you can I correct it from the beginning maybe you can I personally cannot think of it doesn't need to be correct we always have to go into the upper sub-subs right but once you get to the point you see the correct correct you see the vision very clearly and you are at the point where you see that this is what I want and you are very confident that this is what the engineers are also deserving then it's the point where you can start iterating correctly and then the filling is totally correct I think you said all the other things that culture fall if you have a internal culture that you are willing to write it correctly but then you are also open about your failure that's true that's true then you will eventually converge to what we think correctly so you are really correct you have to be fully agree on that not just art I also wanted to mention the talk about motivation as well we all have to be completely okay with failing accepting it as if it's a normal thing we can be afraid of failing you know when you embrace it and failing is what's a big back basically that you are getting right to it's not a negative or all it's a signal for you anyways so have to have that mindset as cliche as it sounds but sometimes sometimes lose the fact of it and then you have a mind or one of these as well you can see that but when it becomes a person in hard-to-understandings when we are supposed to do something but you fail to do it or fail to do it in a day that we fail to understand then it starts becoming a person and that's when we really need to remind ourselves but for our company as well we fail to hold the project and try something out and we are not able to accomplish what I want to accomplish as long as I really can now do it and I will do it yeah also the thing what you said earlier allow to if we fail in two years you want to still have something that's successful this is basically my learning of my life learning, learning about 

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are you still trying to talk about how you can feel what we did what you're doing and you want to understand what you think right now. I think this is also something we need to be committed on that. Okay, maybe it will not work but we will do the right pivots, right movements so that ultimately bring it to the level where we want to take it. Yeah, I just want you to first instance. Okay, I am already talking in AI table already. My systems. Like memory systems or. No. First instance is more to know. I think. I think the nice one. Yeah, it took over that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it took all the nice things that M that by the way, I used to use it so. And now I just got used it. It's all right. Yeah, it's nice each of us has different perspective but it's a good everything is cohesive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Different ideology but altogether it fits perfectly. Yeah, yeah. So motivation part of it, I think it's a bit wide of ideals on a personal level. I think maybe something else will come again as we talk in the way in order but let's talk about it in the company version. I mean how would you differentiate come to vision from the voice division motivation? I think I have also shared my confidence in. I thought one of the most innovative companies in the world is solving the most physical challenges, exploring the cream of the world. And they are they feel like they are coming together and can work on their ideas without too much micro-ventages from the digital team. So it's like a, it feels like a science lab but it produces the output like a company. I think that do this and it will also be but that's what I mean I have read about that lab that they can work with and say that it was a lab but its products were used by the industry. That's for me like the company. But how do you see the adaptation of the industry as the industry at home? No, you build an actual product for your life as long as it happens. So like innovative but also scale scale also like your scale. So innovation in scale are two very challenging to build up together and to meet that working my configuration that we build something that moves immediately by the people so you can see that they are solving a problem innovative and at the same level so innovative that it's also scale. What I'm completely focused on is but it's putting up that it also has black. So that's for me with an idea product. Well I've tried UPD for it and tried UPD for it and it's scale so far. I think it's the positive side of the body. Okay I mean strong. I have to check obviously how we bring it into action. I mean take a look about the short down goals. How these needs to be defined so that we need this kind of a fair let's see. I cannot think of a short planning but we can discuss it as well. Yes again. Krita what about you? A unified solution under cohesive solution is also put to that I'm very interested. But also we are able to expand it or scale it as a future needs course. So if you are now aware that a very flexible point if a pilot company demands something or if they are in dire need of you to make enough space for KKU we can develop a tool. And if the tool seems to be very useful for other companies we can definitely make it a problem. So we are at a very flexible point and also in our initial scale. So for the end at a long term company vision I suppose it can be a cohesive solution or a very particular area. We provide support to design engineers and also manufacturing drawings and also anything that we can do in the middle we also add in to the product. But I don't have a specific vision person. It's just the idea of creating something that can be told and understand the future growth. There is the core idea that is already being put in the direction of the future. So I think for me I feel like mechanical engineering is a very old school engineering field. And I want to have a lot of product that sort of revolutionizes this whole industry, regiovanates it, whatever you want to call it makes an impact on the industry. Being a mechanical engineer obviously I feel close to it, the industry. And I feel like if I can do something that impacts this whole industry and happy with that. So for sure I want to have a product that shakes the whole mechanical engineering industry and changes the way the mechanical engineering line takes in general period. One more thing I want to do in the other word product vision is I for sure want to have a product that looks senti as beautiful. There is something I feel strongly about. I don't want to have a view of things. So whenever we build we need to know that it needs to have certain kind of design language, talking about our life record and the website as well. Every product that we are throwing out of the world from our website to our after product need to have those beauty elements. I think the finishing touches and the finishing touches. It's very important to me. For me I say like this that the users should have joy when they are like when I have to use things and I would try to do. So I thought that I have to spend now like 15 minutes in the team center. I felt like it but when I have to use high for my job and I thought I can do whatever I want to do. Or whatever you know like there is this you have a software that you like. So that should be our tool. You should not trigger the feelings of what the end of the tool. I think I will do it. Hello, can I come in? I have a phone call. Is that for you? Yeah, I can sit down. Oh, I see. I wish I had a door.